Slate has stated that they concluded that digital summing wasn't flawed, it just didn't add any pleasing artifacts.Correct, not flawed but it ADDED something in the analog world that digital didn't have. The mixbus plugin is working on a signal that has already been summed to a stereo signal. I think we can put to rest the idea that VCC is doing summing of any sort. I'm excited to get my virtual hands on their next VMR plugin and ultimately their VMS which will expand my mic locker exponentially for a measely $2,000 give or take a few hundred. This works for me and results in more "commercial sounding" masters than I was ever able to achieve before Slate Digital put out VCC/VTM/VBC. Then I do my mastering tweaks with a final round of VCC Mix Buss -> other plugins -> VTM 1/2" -> brickwall limiter as the final plugin. A stereo mixdown is output, again floating point to maintain quality. My mix's master channel will usually have VCC -> VBC -> VTM 1/2", which simulates how engineers used to send tapes to a mastering engineer. I prefer someone else have a second set of ears but you know how it is with most clients these days.no budget for it. Doing it this way makes automation seem less tedious because during the pre-mix phase a lot of the technical stuff is taken care of so mixing = creativity time. I pretend like I am recording with the plugins (like a pre-mix that I sometimes setup during tracking), then the frozen/rendered (floating point to maintain quality) tracks are mixed (and it's a lot easier for this mix to come into place thanks to the pre-mix of Slate saturation plugins + other plugins). I don't know about everyone else but I use plugins in a three phase process. Mix Buss is only 1% CPU usage and I want to mix with it "live". I tend to render the channels because 16 or more tracks of VCC channel x 2 and VTM = about 40-60% CPU on my system. The mix buss plugin by itself doesn't take up too much CPU.
Rendering is fine if the mix is finished.I wouldn't do it on a track by track rendering basis though.that probably would most likely affect the sound as VCC Mix Buss with be doing its thing to one signal not the sum of many signals. I use REAPER so render = mixdown or bounce in other DAWs. It's only worth pointing out since there seems to be some confusion about rendering/summing happening in this thread.Ahh OK I see the confusion. It wouldn't change the sound if you rendered it. I was just pointing out that this would just be for workflow reasons, ie, making your mix choices with VCC Mixbus "live". You had said that Fabrice mentioned how rendering VCC channels was fine but you don't want to render VCC Mixbus. It's only worth pointing out since there seems to be some confusion about rendering/summing happening in this thread. For the most accurate simulation of a real console every track should be run through VCC Channel on every track as the first insert and the MixBuss plugin on the first insert of the master channel, obviously using the same console emulation.You had said that Fabrice mentioned how rendering VCC channels was fine but you don't want to render VCC Mixbus. Some people use the mix buss plugin on group busses for more vibe. They don't eat up too much CPU so I don't give it much thought.
I find that having it on in conjuncion with the VBC plugin from the start of a mix makes the most sense and the mix sounds "done" sooner. Do you mean that if you do a mixdown, without VCC Mix Buss on, then add Mix Buss during mastering it'd be the same thing? Yes, that is correct. I'm a little confused by what you're saying.
If I'm wrong I'll gladly donate 25$ to your charity of choice. The "mix into" simply means that you make your mixing decissions with the plugin in place, and not slap it on in the end of the mixing. And the channel plugins do not communicate with each other or the mixbus plugin (except that they can be grouped). The plugin emulates the nonlinearities, harmonic distorion and other things (noise etc) but does not change the structure of your DAW. The Mixbus plugin don't know the difference if the channel plugins are on all the plugins or not (nor does it matter whether they're frozen or not).ĪND, the DAW is doing the summing of all the channels (as far as I know, it would be impossible for a plugin on the mixbus to achieve this since the channels have already been summed in your DAW when it hits your mixbusplugin). But he's tied up in the VMR thread.lolWith all due respect, I think you should change your tone slightly because you got it pretty much wrong. I Think we really need a Slate official here.
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